Sunday, March 2, 2008

Ban Shirley Q. Liquor Website and Petition Now Available

Please see the website calling for the ban against Charles Knipp's character Shirley Q. Liquor and sign the petition. The more I see and hear of this character, the more offensive this image becomes. Someone needs to start a ban of Tyler Perry if he won't put the Madea character on the shelf as well. No more Norbits or Big Mommas, either. We can't get mad at Knipp and let the brothers pass. No more fake black women characters, I don't care of the offender is white or black male. This unfunny and stereotypical characterizations must cease. Please see my previous post on this subject.

21 comments:

wisdomteachesme March 2, 2008 at 1:09 PM  

done and done!
lets see how many people will speak against this but not sign the petition form...interesting...

thanks prof for providing easy acess to the form!

naaww he ain't funny...we need to add that medea person also!

Sienna March 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM  

I heard of the "Shirley" character a couple years ago. The bigger question to me is why are men sooo interested in negative black women characters to begin with. Because it sells? Because its funny? Because it elevates black women?

These comedians seem to have an sick obsession with black women. I wonder if there is a thesis out on it all.

Professor Tracey March 2, 2008 at 8:44 PM  

sienna,

you are so right, there is a thesis in this subject. Thanks for commenting.

rjweems March 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM  

You are soooo right about shutting down this one. This is my first time actually seeing a picture of this guy in his costume. Disgusting!

Miriam March 3, 2008 at 7:55 PM  

Hm. I think this is all hypocritical.

Why should we ban this? If we can accept that?

(the mammy chronicle)

Miriam March 3, 2008 at 7:55 PM  

Oh! I get it. Because its coming from a guy?

Professor Tracey March 3, 2008 at 8:18 PM  

Miriam -

Clearly you don't get it. If you really read my post, I am talking about men (any man) pretending to be a stereotypical, racist, and sexist version of a black woman. It's insulting because it's not real.

Comparing a characterization of a black woman to the choices REAL black women make in their personal lives is apples and oranges. I can't stop what a black woman does when she choses a partner, but I for damn sure do not have to put with racist and sexist slurs dressed up as a fake black woman!

Miriam March 3, 2008 at 10:10 PM  

Prof. Tracey,

maybe I still don't get it.

Have you read the mammy chronicle?
I don't understand how the character in the mammy chronicle is not an attempt at stereotypical, racist and sexist?

(I'm not talking about IR dating here)

Miriam March 4, 2008 at 1:04 AM  

:0(

do I not merit a response?

Professor Tracey March 4, 2008 at 1:33 AM  

miriam -

I'm not exactly sure what you want me to react to. I looked at the information you provided and it has nothing to do with my original posting. I'm not going to change the point of view on my posting to satisfy a reader. My post is my post. I welcome comments on the subject at hand, but I don't have to justify why I posted something on my own blog.

The point of my original post is that racist and sexist characterizations of black women by men, black or white is problematic for me and unacceptable. These are stereotypes of black women that are painful and unproductive. They serve no purpose. I don't see why you are taking issue with that fact.

I support this ban and do not like Mr. Knipp's extremely personal attack on a fellow black female blogger. I will be boycotting the Tyler Perry character and any other character that makes fun of black women.

As for The Mammy Chronicles, I find it very stereotypical, unfunny, and extremely narrow-minded. Not to mention not representative of black women's lives at all. I don't consider myself a mammy and I would not put that label on another sister.

With that being said, the blog this stuff came from is a very topic specific blog and I am not going to knock that perspective. I am not a regular reader of that blog and do not share its view of the world, even though I can understand it quite well.

I have my view of the world as a black woman and so does this black female blogger. If she thinks some black women are acting like mammies, then she's calling them on it. I don't view sharing that opinion about the possible short-comings of black women on the same level as portraying black women as obese, welfare getting whores with numerous children and no daddies like Mr. Knipp does.

If you don't like the mammy stuff, put it on blast on your own blog. That's the beauty of blogging.

Miriam March 4, 2008 at 8:03 AM  

I don't view sharing that opinion about the possible short-comings of black women on the same level as portraying black women as obese, welfare getting whores with numerous children and no daddies like Mr. Knipp does.

Thanks.

I wasn't trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't blog (seems to be the big fear around blogosphere), but I did want to understand what I seemed to have been missing and others saw.

I appreciate your response.

BLKSeaGoat March 4, 2008 at 9:58 AM  

I just wanted to point out that two gay groups GLAAD (2005) and NGLTF (2002 and had several of his tour dates cancelled)have publicly repudiated Chuck Knipp.

It's unfortunate that he's been performing for so long that people have forgotten how offensive he is.

How will banning Shirley Q. Liquor address or remedy the problems that black women face?

Professor Tracey March 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM  

blkseagoat -

I hear you, but for maybe just self-esteem and self-worth, its time black women stand up to these kind of chracterizations. There are so few positve portrayals of black women in entertainment and maybe if we are vocal, some different images will get a chance to be presented.

And Knipp crossed the line when he attacked Jasmyne, he needs to go for doing what he did. Period. You don't post pictures like that and you don't post someone's phone number. Black women have to stand up for one another, so it's no longer about his offensive Shirley Q. Liquor character, it's abour his offensive personal character.

Thanks for posting. I miss hearing your voice. And thanks for your work with C.G. It's highly appreciated.

Professor Tracey March 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM  

Miriam -

It's not a fear, it's a real problem. I don't want my words twisted and you seem to have an agenda to do so and that I find problematic. You don't seem to want to come out and state clearly what it is that you want to say.

You didn't agree with my post which stated it's point quite clearly. Also, I'm not sure why you are repeating part of my reply either. You either accept all of my response or you accept none of it, but don't try to make my words fit your point of view.

I never censor any or my readers comments, but no one should come on my blog and attempt to further an unknown and unstated agenda. I find that seriously disturbing.

Miriam March 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM  

An agenda?! Its really not all that. I really don't plan and plot. I really didn't understand the difference. And you helped. I need to process the info. But there's no malice intended.

Please don't get so offended. I didn't mean to offend.

I repeated the part of the post that was the eye opener for me. goodness gracious!

Are you so upset?

BLKSeaGoat March 5, 2008 at 2:06 PM  

Professor Tracey,

I think you should check out Jasmyne's latest post about this. She seems (from my POV) to provide justification for the same type of performances by black people.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts about this.

Regarding C.G.,
I wish I could do more. Everything that's happened in her life to this point has been because of her. I wish I could take some credit for it, but she's a trooper!

I'll be starting a new position with HUD (as a contractor with a non-profit) on March 17. Hopefully, I'll be able to provide her with some info she can use to relocate sooner rather than later.

Professor Tracey March 5, 2008 at 5:38 PM  

@BLK SEAGOAT -

I saw her post and made a comment. Check that out. I appreciate you telling me. I understand what she is trying to say, but I am with you she is also seeming to give brothers a pass, I will not give.

I was on your site today and you crushed me with the COGIC stuff, but the truth is the truth. I will be posting about it in future. You are so right, it's ugly and hidden all to well. It hurts my heart.

As for C.G. yes she is a trooper, but so are you! Congrats on the new gig.

Maryam standing with Warrior Nnamdi at 92nd ASALH March 7, 2008 at 12:16 AM  

Hotep

As-salaam alaykum Professor Tracey.

My sis put me on to the shirleyqalcohol site - its offensive for a number of reasons, includng the use of q, 19 kids, the black face, mocking voice, silly hair, and alcohol.

However, it's not clear who the petition's sponsors are. I would like to know before I sign it or forward the site to any of my contacts.

Aho, Asante

Maryam

bambizzoozled July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM  

Chuck is hilarious. You have to understand the he isn't "for" you. Why are you even hearing about his act?

The blackface is fine, the drag is fine. Norbit, Big Momma, and Madea are all just fine.

Either get a sense of humor, or don't watch it.

Professor Tracey July 10, 2009 at 3:04 PM  

@Bambizzoozled -

First, you clearly have never read this blog. Norbit, Big Momma, and Madea have all been heavily criticized on this blog. I think they are stereotypical as well.

And as far as "Chuck" not being "for" me, since when is racist and sexist depictions of black women "for' you?

And "Chuck" is not funny, he is a fucking racist. And I love when folks like you tell folks to get a sense a humor, it's funny how quit you lose yours when the jokes are about white folks or gay folks.

Don't tell people to do stuff, you're not willing to do yourself!

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