Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Hip Hop Hater Bill Cosby To Release Hip Hop Album

For the man that continues to forget that he produced the heavily ebonics laced ghetto cartoon Fat Albert and the Gang, comes a brand new head turning announcement. Bill Cosby does hip hop. Mr. Cosby is not going to rap himself, but ask others to help out. Considering how he has blasted rap music and hip hop artists, I can't imagine who would help out.


Naima April 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM  

I am sure Cosby will find someone, rappers have no moral or artistic standards. Some rappers will probably do a song with the KKK if you paid them the right amount

wisdomteachesme April 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM  

naima said ="Some rappers will probably do a song with the KKK if you paid them the right amount."
ain't that the truth!
just look at them joining in with P&G to promote a new direction for the rappers.
some of those people could not be directed out of a paper bag.

for example, those that have latched on with these alcohol businesses to sell that mess to young people-like it is some youth tonic...Lord have mercy...

i like bill, he has gone off a bit...but sometimes when you decide to speak the truth about a lie...you stand alone.

i am curious to see who he will get to do this with him...and i know there is a motive to this he has not expressed yet...

Shazza Nakim April 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM  

I respect the fact that Cosby will produce a Hip-Hop CD. We have forgotten that Hip-Hop is vast and varied and OPEN to anyone with the talent and artist value to conbribute. If Maya Angelou can produces an R&B and Hip-Hop CD, what can't Cosby.

Bill Cosby never stated that he hates Hip-Hop, he did state that he is oppose to the negative messages and pepetual sterotypes to fosters. If he wants to produce an alternative, then he should be supported for putting his mouth and money where his spirit is.

We have Spoken Word Artist that produce Hip-Hop and just becuse Kanye or Dupree or Sean Combs isn't on it, it somehow is designated to non-artistic or HOT enough to market. If you can get what the INDUSTRY is blocking from the people so that there can be more of a choice, then you might hear less of a Cosby rant and more of a Saul Williams positive message.

wisdomteachesme April 16, 2008 at 8:15 AM  

SN said =" If you can get what the INDUSTRY is blocking from the people so that there can be more of a choice,"
very good point! i forgot about the "sifting" that they do. and how what they release out to us that is produced is not always the best that is. which is also why i stopped long ago being concerned with what the art critics say about artwork. what they say is popular or full of talent--i usually think is just plain crap. but because some self appointed critic says it is does not mean that is true.
good point.

Anonymiss April 16, 2008 at 9:39 AM  

I'll check for it.

Good point about Fat Albert Prof. Tracey.

Shazza Nakim April 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM  

Maybe its my memory that is at fault here BUT I don't recall Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids being "heavily" laced with Ebonics.

I do know it had several styles of Black dialect such as "Sweet Talk" which is a Southern Dialect, "Jive" which was a dialect born out of Jazz and Swing, and "Urban Slang" the precursor to Ebonics. Then there were the character of Bill and Russell and the Adults whom spoke proper English.

Tracey, I think in your dislike of Bill Cosby, you colored the several time Emmy Winning, award winning animation series for Educational Excellence, winner of several Community Awards (Black, Religious, Moral&Ethical), and whose percentage of the proceeds were donated to the Negro College Fund for several years, your comments actually give the show a bad RAP.

Professor Tracey April 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM  

Sorry Shazza, but Cosby has bashed hip hop with an extreme broad brush repeatedly. He takes the rappers to task and not the companies that only want one side of hip hop represented. If you can view Fat Albert and the Gang so broadly, then hip hop should be given the same benefit.

Further, if Fat Albert and the Gang was playing today, the language would be EBONICS, period. That character with the cap pulled over his face was not speaking "sweet jive" or anything like it. Different names, same stuff.

I never said the show was not good, but I do think it is contradictory for Cosby to act like he has not taken advantage of ghetto stereotypes and dialicts like anyone else. It's the holier than thou attitude I cannot stand.

Shazza Nakim April 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM  

I'm sorry Tracey I am going to have to disagree with you. The language that was used in Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids would not be considered Ebonics today. Since the syntax that makes up Ebonics and Jive, Sweet Talk, Bop are that the same. Granted Ebonics is part of the evolution of Urban dialect, it is not the same as that language used during the Fat Albert series. As a writer and researcher of popular language in Black Writing and Contemporary Canon, Ebonics and its syntax is not the same.

Also, Bill Cosby (like many others) have criticized Hip-Hop and Rap for the lack of responsibility it has to its Black audience at the expense of collecting White Dollars. In order to SELL Hip-Hop you need Black and Brown faces. So if the participants are "Bought" out of their communities and the Corporations use dollars to market the baser side of the ART while ignoring the possible POSITIVE nature of the ART .. then you have to appeal to the CREATORS of the Art to take it back; which are the BLACK and BROWN people.

Bill Cosby states this publicly that he does not care what WHITE people think, it is Black people that need to WAKE UP and acknowledge that community complacency has allow Hip-Hop to go too far with it Negative Images and only the people it affect the most (BLACK and BROWN) have a responsibility to deal with it.

As a DJ for Independent Radio, their are more (BLACK) people who don't like the state of Hip-Hop as it is today than like it. The numbers and stats show this but again, the PUBLIC doesn't see or hear this. The problem is that there isn't enough marketing and exposure of alternative Hip-Hop here and Internationally, from the Underground and from cross-over Spoken Word artist.

I respect your point of view but I also feel that your point has a few flaws in information and correct data.

Professor Tracey April 16, 2008 at 5:31 PM  

As a college professor, writer, and researcher who teaches courses on hip hop and popular culture, I will just have to say that we agree to disagree. You have your way of interpreting the facts and I have mine. That's the beauty of respectful discourse.

Just as a point, all these language uses you describe all fall under the grouping of "black vernacular" with ebonics being a term that people don't like because it's as negative.

If you say "ain't gonna" on the Fat Albert show or in hip hop that is not "sweet jive" that's ebonics. Period. The character Mush Mouth on the fat albert gang was speaking ebonics laced gibberish. That's the truth.

lena April 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM  

Shazza Nakim, I am with you 100%. I came up on hip hop and rap and love much of it, but a lot of it is denigrating garbage now - even if the beats are good. I actually have my own personal moratorium on buying it.

As for Cosby, I think people need to try to actually HEAR what he was saying. He may not have put it in the most politically correct way , and I can't say I agree with all of it, but at least 75-80% of what he had to say was right! And no matter what he said or how he said it, his words were out of love for US. He could've of said it better, but at least he said, which is more than I can say for most. So no hatred here from this Black princess.

Shazza Nakim April 17, 2008 at 12:37 AM  

If you are looking at Fat Albert as a Social Laboratory for Black Dialect, then the show's premise encompassed the totality of Black vernacular, from the Southern Twang to Proper English and all languages in between that represented in the sum of Black Culture in America. Included in the show were the dialects of the Caribbean and Latin American as well. This recognition is why the show won as many awards as it did because it represented a part of America that contemporary television then (and still to this day) wasn't present and CBS decided to take a chance and Broadcast it. Oh, did I mention that many Black College Grads received scholarships because it as well? The Negro College Fund.

As for the TRUTH; the vernaculars are properly termed “Sweet Talk” and “Jive” and not Sweet Jive (I am hoping you weren’t making light of my dropping of Black Historical Knowledge). These are legitimate forms of dialect. “Gibberish” is not a Black dialect but actually a European development of non-sensible language. Ebonics on the other hand includes many aspects of what we would term, BROKEN ENGLISH but unlike the many dialects of Black America, such as Jive, there is stagnation to Ebonics’ evolution as a viable language. Much of it has not nor is it being developing to be absorbed into the current common language of America. Unlike Jive, which was like a fad (generational) language, it either died out or was absorbed by Standard English (i.e. Turkey, Skid Row, Slick). Even the word “Bootylicious” was not Ebonics in its origin and yet it comes from the urban slang meaning, “beautiful big booty”. Influenced by geographic location, aptitude, and culture, the argument of Ebonics is and has always stayed within poor Black communities as oppose to having it embraced and or introduced into the common vernacular. Ebonics exist as a language that is more of a socio-political statement of the poor and politically disadvantage than a dialect that has its roots in a particular region in America and or the World, although you have pseudo-intellectuals that are vying for Federal Dollars to make it so.

Michael April 17, 2008 at 12:51 AM  

Bill Cosby dropping a hip hop album? I love it. However I’m very disapointed in hearing that Bill actually won’t rap on the album himself and is instead enlisting no name emcees. One of my fellow bloggers over on Highbrid Nation reported on Bill’s album and I decided to make a plea in the comments section to Bill to let me ghost write for him and I even wrote some rhymes for Bill. Funny stuff, check it out when you get a chance (Link)

But anyway, I ain’t mad at Bill, he comes across as an angry old man but a lot of what he says is wrong in the inner city is very on point.

Professor Tracey April 17, 2008 at 9:41 AM  

Why does the supporting the Negro College Fund matter? BET has supported the same fund. So what?

As far as the on-going Ebonics debate - it's apples and oranges to me. Ebonics is just a modern term describing the same things you are talking about. You can disagree and that's fine.

I don't care for Cosby or his so-called way of "helping" the black community. I never said he can't do a hip hop album, I just find it contradictory that he would want to be involved with something he has slammed so heavily.

And I really hate the term "pseudo intellectual" - it's a word people use to insult people with education that say things that people don't agree with. I don't agree with a great deal of what John McWhorter has to say, but he is an extremely intelligent and highly educated man. That is not lessened by his conservative view of the world.

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