Thursday, December 11, 2008

Professor Tracey Lays The Smackdown On Anyone That Didn't Like The Post On Greater Grace Church - Home Of The Infamous SUV Prayer Service

I have received several comments from folks who either are supporters or members of Greater Grace Church. For example, the following individual left three separate comments -

Praisewriter said.....


"How ignorant are you people! The word of God tells you to keep your mouth off of the prophet and God's people so you better watch it..."

"Further more, this church was praying for Kwame the entire time the scandal went down so talk about what you know. This church also prays for the school system every Sunday especially since school board members are prominent members at GGT, again, talk about what you know."

"To answer someone's question about the congregation, yes it is full of autoworkers...but even if it wasn't this is still the type of church that prays for all...you need to once again visit the ministry before you crucify it."

My response to Praisewriter and anyone one else that didn't like that particular post or the comments of my readers -

Praisewriter,

This is America. And America has freedom of speech. Just like your pastor had the freedom to put three SUVs on the pulpit, then prance, dance, sing, and pray over them like they were living beings with souls, I have the freedom to believe that this embarrassing and pointless act was one of the most egregiously stupid and outrageously sacrilegious spectacles I have ever seen a black preacher perform.

There was nothing wrong with the idea of praying for the auto industry to recover and to save the jobs of the thousands of auto workers in Detroit, but what was wrong with praying over and laying hands on the auto workers in your congregation instead of creating a complete media circus with expensive material items sitting in the pulpit like golden calves?

A real Prophet understands that the people, "the flock" should come first, not the disposable man-made products that have enticed many an individual to turn over their hard-earned silver and gold. How about praying for folks to stop buying automobiles they can't afford? Instead of praying over those SUVs, they should have been auctioned off as charity to raise money for the families of auto workers who have already been laid off. How many families could eat off the sales of three high-end hybrid SUVs? Quite a few I believe.

And in my book real "Prophets' seek no reward or attention for their prayers, they just do God's work. Your pastor alerted the media and willingly let this spectacle be televised across the country. This publicity stunt received numerous responses ranging from critical condemnation to incredulous bewilderment. Don't get mad at those that think what occurred at your church was ludicrous, dumb, materialistic, non-spiritual and unhelpful. Get mad at your pastor that created that public monstrosity of a performance in the first place. Otherwise, do what you did at the SUV prayer service, sit there and be quiet like a good sheep.

And I KNOW that a church that prayed for former Detroit Mayor Kwame "One Man Crime Spree" Kilpatrick, who is a convicted felon, serial adulterer, confirmed liar, bully, and abuser of public trust and political power, seriously needs to re-evaluate it's priorities and belief system. Why weren't you praying for the City of Detroit that has been used and abused under Kilpatrick's leadership? Why weren't you praying for the City of Detroit to find and elect a mayor that will not view the city as their personal playground for illegal graft, dishonest political practices, and personal debauchery?

And I KNOW how awful the school system is in Detroit. Why isn't your church praying for the students that attend the substandard schools in Detroit? Could it be that they don't pay tithes like "prominent" school board members, who are directly responsible for the sad state of the Detroit school system? Why aren't you praying for the teachers that have to teach in substandard schools with limited supplies or are the "prominent" school board members in your church deemed more important?

Lastly, the "word of God" also says to watch out for false Prophets. My pastor doesn't need elaborate staging with expensive props to make a spiritual point or prayer. He has the bible and his own eloquence to that. And what exactly do we have to "watch out" for? Is a hybrid SUV going to come falling out of the sky and crush anyone that doesn't think your pastor should have accepted and placed those SUVs in the pulpit in the first place?

You don't have to agree, accept, or like what I post on this blog! You have the freedom NOT to read it! You could have offered your side or version of events, but instead you came on this blog telling folks what to think, how to believe, and how to react to how a black church used its membership not in a SPIRITUAL WAY, but in a POLITICAL, ECONOMIC-BASED WAY.

And I'm sorry, but once the black church, any black church decides to involve itself in a manner that is moving far beyond the spiritual health and well-being of it's parishioners, I'm going to start asking questions and critiquing. We have thinking and thoughtful Christians over here on this blog, not unthinking followers.

24 comments:

wisdomteachesme December 11, 2008 at 2:44 PM  

whew!! sister pt-WHEW!

between shaking my head and blowing (that's a country thing)- some words came to my mouth so say.
and first off, for me this is true.

your comment pt about God's prophets rec'ing payment reminded me about Elisha and Naaman-(2 Kings 5:15-27-Amp)- you know, Elisha (lol) never even came out to meet him--but sent him to the healing waters--when Naaman wanted a huge - extravagant, shing dig so everyone could see 'him' become healed by the Prophet of God. lolol i love the wisdom and teaching beneath the surface of God's Word.
Well Naaman didnt' get it the way he wanted it did he? NOT! lolo -God IS.

ticked him off he almost gave up on being healed because of his pride and self serving thinking and actions.

God doesn't do things the way that man does. and most often He does things in ways that many will not witness. He does not entertain vipers and hypercrites as man does.

and the rest of the story came to mind also concerning your comment -- when that 'pretnding to be a real believer Gehazi' ran after Naaman, holding a lie to speak in order to get the riches/paymt for himself--and so he did get them-lied to Elisha about it all-and in the end he had the leprosy that was taken off of Naaman. Can't play with God and go the way of the flesh-the bondswoman-the slave.

i have found that Sometimes some people would rather take up for the wrongs of another than to admit they went along with it willingly, or either were bamboozled also.

i have also found that when you start off teaching people who don't know the top from the bottom--and what you are teaching them is not pure but has been added too; then they will believe and stand up for the leader that leads the sheep astray. they know his voice and not the Voice of The Father who has been calling them back.

For them-(in the way they have done so in their email to you)-to step in and try and take up for their beliefs and committment to this church-the building and the Church-the people, is a sign of lack and nu-sureness as to what is true.
This is how people act when they are not mature and allow themselves to be offended by what others think of them and say about them.
I have never felt the need to stand up for God. I don't belong to a church-building-but i belong to a community of Faith in Jesus. none of us has ever felt the need or been led to stand up for Jesus in this way.
I think your post had to be said PT, in order for people to know where you stand and what you will stand for or not.

You know, a little black lady once said something about this;the gist of what she said is = i tried to save more, but they didn't believe they were slaves.

When what they know is all they know-you can't tell them that water is wet.

wisdomteachesme December 11, 2008 at 2:50 PM  

just a few more thoughts-
Proverbs 10:6 came to mind also.
and

1 Tim 6:6-8 NIV
"But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that."

Commentary

Do we believe that we have a good God who knows exactly what we truly need? (need not want) Or are we discontent, continually feeling the need to provide a little more for ourselves? The Apostle Paul is reminding us here that even if we go to church and pray regularly, give to the poor and do all the things that "super Christians" appear to do, we are missing everything if we are not content with what God has given us! Contentment is born out of faith in our hearts.We can trust in God's goodness and provision over our own today.

Today's commentary by:
Caesar Kalinowski, Pastor, Soma Communities
------------
I really feel bad when i meet people or know of people that have been mis educated. I saw so much of it as a teacher in public schools.
So when i meet adults that show the signs of a miseducation, is tryly saddens me and lets me know that today is another day to continue to pray, and praise our way through the lies, tricks & work from our enemy.

bbgcmac December 11, 2008 at 3:32 PM  

Preach! Preachers have been silencing folk with that "don't touch the Profit (yea i spelled it right) stuff for years. Just another way to get a free pass.

Needless to say you broke it down and let it be broke - And the congregations says... Amen!

Claudia December 11, 2008 at 4:11 PM  

I can only say "Amen" to that too. You put it down, Prof. Tracey.

msladydeborah December 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM  

Amen!
Well said Professor Tracey!

Attorneymom December 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM  

WWWWEEEELLLLLL!!!

All I want to know is whether the Good Pastor would payoff my student debt.

TalentedTenth December 11, 2008 at 5:35 PM  

i can't stand when church folk try to use that "touch not mine anointed" text to justify foolishness. it boils my blood. clearly praisewriter doesn't understand the application of that Scripture.

Words For Hire December 11, 2008 at 6:04 PM  

I love God and I love the black church and for that reason I added my voice to those who were disappointed. Are we not commanded by the word of God to rightly divide the word of truth? God's word stands up to questioning, the church today fails on many levels. If we do not begin to call out wrongs then blood is on our hands too. God never called us to not be discerning, the word is our standard not man. The word also tells us not to offend our brother, I was grossly offended by the spectacle of SUVs on a pulpit.

sweetmintyjesus December 11, 2008 at 7:11 PM  

wooooooo! perfectly said! thank you thank you thank you!

LorMarie December 11, 2008 at 7:20 PM  

Prof Tracey,

This praisewriter person was using a common tactic in too many Christian circles...that would be the fear tactic. Such people would probably use the same sort of tactic if you speak out against priests and such who abuse children. Allow me to join you in declaring it was ridiculous.

Conservative Black Woman December 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM  

PT~Applause, Applause, Applause and a standing ovation! That was we well needed verbal lashing for a "dumb" sheep.

Attymom~I'm gonna have to start fasting & praying for God to retire that student loan for you...lol

finallyko December 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM  

Amen!!!!!!!!!! I've been apart of a congregation in which our pastor seemed to be on the news a little more than he should've been. Surprise! Surprise! He eventually ran for mayor. I don't blame Praisewriter for being captain- save-a-profit for his/her church. You don't always realize what's really going on at the time. Hopefully your "Smackdown" will help.

Christopher Chambers December 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM  

Auntie, while you have love on this blog, there are so many morons out there who go to churches like that all day Sunday that we are just a pebble on a beach. They outnumber us so their shrill voices are all that will be heard, and their faces seen in sound-byte form on TV "news."

Mista Jaycee December 12, 2008 at 11:09 AM  

Prof Tracy,
I lubbbbs you! (I LOVE U) Oh my goodness what a well thought out response. You have got so much style. Have I told you I LUBBBS you? Yeah, I did!
Jaycee

niaNaturally December 12, 2008 at 3:36 PM  

I've followed your blog for a long time, but this is my first time commenting. Thank you, thank you, thank you for telling the truth. When I first saw the pictures of those SUVs on the pulpit, my stomach lurched. It was a disgusting display. And why does Praisewriter mention praying for Kwame as if that is proof GGC is doing great works. I LOLed when I read that sentence.

BLKSeaGoat December 12, 2008 at 4:03 PM  

PT,

Girrrrrrrrrrrl, I LOVED this response. As I stated to you before, I beleive that people like praisewriter suffer from a severe form of dependant and historionic personality disorders.

The fact that any person who is a member of the pentecostal movement largely atrributed to the Apostle Paul could actually be so dismally clueless is my basis for that determination.

The SUV spectacle amounts to NOTHING more than having the "Money changers" in the temple. The fact that praise could be so unaffected by the plight of the city of Detroit, says to me that he/she isnothing more than a pharisaical hypocrite.

She/he prayed for Kwame? For what reason? For god to bless him with an erection that would last long enough to fuck every woman in Day Twat? Why does praise NOT pray for Tamar Greene's murderer, Kwame to be convicted?

Instead of bragging about having a huge number of Education Administrators who attend that Nigga Church, GGC, who also have the dustinction of fucking up DPS so much so that DPS is now in RECEIVERSHIP, she should have been praying that they actually did their damn JOBS!!!

Praisewriter is a mentally ill and DELUDED person caught up on religiosity. Parisewriter, and those that think like praisewriter ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. They are charlatns and pharisees alike.

Another thing, that "puttin your mouth on God's prophet" shit could be construed as a personal threat.

Is god some sort of terrorist, now?

cinco December 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM  

What these fanantics believe is true in their minds no matter what the actual facts are.

Kit (Keep It Trill) December 13, 2008 at 7:49 AM  

Logical, practical, and to the point response. Loved it.

gsutiger2 December 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM  

Stated PERFECTLY Prof. Tracey!

Divalocity December 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM  

Can I Get A "AMEN!"

SPEAK THE TRUTH!

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED THE T-R-U-T-H!

brownstocking December 16, 2008 at 1:14 AM  

I think there's room on the "mourners' bench" for a couple of souls....

I think I feel the Holy Ghost in here! Say that, sister!

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